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Michael Scott's avatar

If high schools in the US of A continue to have history teachers, this song should be in the ''Anerican History'' lesson planning.

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Kurt Thialfad's avatar

I guess i don't quite get it. You start describing foreign policy situations where America was not put first, but rather her blood and treasure were sacrificed to get other nations out of the messes they got themselves into. Were we, the USA, right to follow these military adventurers? For most, I think not. I think I agree with most Americans, that we need to stop being the world's policeman. Isn't that what MAGA is all about? To stop being used and kicked around?

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David Rovics's avatar

hi kurt! the usa has never been the world's policeman. this is a myth. the usa is an imperialist empire bent on world domination. that's different from being a cop. we should stop being what we are -- an empire. we shouldn't stop being what we aren't. that's what the song is about -- the misconceptions of history common to people who don't understand that the usa is an empire, but believe the lies they've been fed throughout the "cold war" period about us being the world's policeman. killing millions of people isn't what cops are supposed to do, eh? that's what empires do. see vietnam, laos, cambodia, and korea for more info.

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David Farris's avatar

I think Kurt's point is that MAGA is about pulling away from empire and foreign entanglements. At least it is supposed to be.

Check out Tucker Carlson and Candace Owens. You will be surprised.

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David Rovics's avatar

i'm very familiar with these folks, actually. what you may or may not understand is they're completely full of shit, lying all the time, they don't mean anything they say, and that's abundantly obvious from their current, very murderous foreign policy (see gaza).

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David Farris's avatar

Candace Owens got fired from the Daily Wire for calling Gaza a genocide. She almost got canceled. Candace covers the evil Zionist govt of Israel frequently. She recently did an hour with a survivor of the USS Liberty.

Tucker has also done multiple shows on the evils of Israel and questioned why America gives them money.

Let me add Judge Napolitano to the list. His show is Judging Freedom. Judge Nap cover the evils of Israel every day. Judge Nap praises the Houthis as the only Arabs doing anything to stop the genocide.

I understand you are surrounded by people that hate MAGA. You are doing God's work, so I will let you get back to it.

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David Rovics's avatar

i'd like to apologize if i'm coming across as annoyed. text is a hard medium for nuance. i'm not, tho, and i appreciate all of your thoughts, david. i agree that many of the alt right folks like carlson have all kinds of good analysis. it goes along with so much horrible analysis, tho, usually in the same show or interview. much more distressingly, tho, is trump clearly doesn't seem to be interested in their good analysis, only their bad ideas. the trump admin is currently bombing yemen daily and preparing to invade iran.

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David Farris's avatar

Thank you David. Yes, Trump, the King MAGA, is deliriously off course on Israel. With a Jewish daughter and grand kids and half of the Zionists in America on his cabinet, it is just horrible. His battle on "anti-semetism", Kash Patel saying Israel's security is his number one priority, Pam Bondi hiding the Epstein files once she saw how they exposed the Mossad blackmail operation Epstein was running. Hegseth, Waltz, and even Tulsi high fiving as Yemeni children are being bombed. It is all disgusting.

All of these things are a betrayal to a sizable minority of MAGA loyalists.

For me, I am still MAGA, but I have given up hoping Trump and his team of maniacs will get Palestine right. I put my hopes and efforts into convincing the Global South to save Palestine and banish the Zionist invaders back to Eastern Europe.

I consider you the Bob Dylan of our generation, although Dylan never reached the beauty of "Song for Gaza" or "Wounded Child No Surviving Family" (and as I look over your discography, so many more powerful and beautiful songs).

Thank you for all you do.

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David Farris's avatar

I appreciate the work you do David, and if this song can turn the left away from war, that is great.

But... Your song is really about NEOCONS and Fox News. MAGA folks are more anti-war and skeptical of the state and of foreign entanglement lies we have been fed than the left.

Did you see all of the "Hands Off!!!" protests last weekend? The left is protesting America ending our support for the Ukraine war. What the heck is that?

Anyway... there are plenty of war mongers on both sides. Hillary Clinton, Tom Cotton, Victoria Nuland, Lindsey Graham.

If you replaced "MAGA" with "Fox News" the song would be accurate.

Friends don't let friends watch Fox News.

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David Rovics's avatar

no. my song is about pete hegseth and others, and their faulty understanding of history and reality. it is also about the worldview of the democrats, which is the same as theirs. they've all drunk the kool-aid, and it looks like you may have, too. the democrats are not the left. the pro-nato demonstrations over the weekend were not the left. the left is dead. that doesn't mean liberals are now the left. they never have been. it also doesn't mean the right has become the left. it hasn't. see gaza. also trump is about to bomb iran. that's war, not peace.

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David Farris's avatar

Democrats are not MAGA. You are making my point. In a Venn Diagram you would have 3 circles. Democrat, NEOCON, and MAGA. About 90% of the Democrat circle would overlap the NEOCON circle. About 75% of the MAGA circle would overlap the NEOCON circle.

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