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> a sad song will make the listener cry. A song about memories of your youth will evoke such memories. A satirical song about current events the listener is following in the news will likely make the listener laugh.

A useful song(, i.m.o.,) will help you win an internet debate(, e.g., https://youtu.be/kclUjTG4rIk, https://youtu.be/oCQjXMy8Ngk, ...)

(Please don't take this for a shameful demand or(, even worse,) an arrogant advice, but if i wanted to attempt creating songs one day, then i'd focus on arguments from /r/CapitalismVSocialism, or books synthesis, and that's why i like you(r songs))

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Oh, ok, glad my comment wasn't taken in a bad way, thanks ๐Ÿ˜…

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i'm always interested in more ideas for things to write about. including very specific ideas, especially an idea for a refrain. (the concept, not the rhyme scheme, is what i need most.)

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I fully expected that you'd be annoyed by amateurs telling you how to do your job instead of doing something(anything) themselves.

Critics of the current world are so numerous i'd find it hard to know where to start, even by excluding what you already talked about, but one could literally produce a 10mn-long song by enumerating the negative externalities of our so-called โ€œgreatโ€ free-market. I think that you're not supporting most anti-imperialist countries because you fear being accused of defending authoritarianism.

I.d.k. if i'll still be around one year from now, but if i(we) can help you in any way we'd all be glad to be of use. Anyway, if it's not the case then don't feel obligated to answer.

(PS : It feels so weird to talk to you)

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It's not a know fact that the Donbass region, as well as Crimea, organized referendums since the 90s to join Russia, and fought for this.

(I briefly talked about it here https://lemmy.ml/post/35136830/20657839, but there's a lot to say, and Lothar Wicke could have his own song as well because this is perhaps even more important than whether snipers at Maidan were anti-Russia or not https://share.google/XhE2MmST6TdiitlMz, lots to say, i don't know how to condense everything here, i should perhaps start with V.Putin so-called authoritarianism, and in that regard i posted that comment today https://lemmygrad.ml/comment/7497280, if it's his anti-communism that disgust you, then look at the ratings of the communist party in Russia compared to the ex-ussr countries, and also look at his strong&dangerous support of Venezuela despite Trump's support in Ukraine(, search โ€œRussiaโ€ here https://t.me/teleSUREng/48745), as well as his strong ties with China, Cuba, etc. Russians won't go through 1991 again and prefer without hesitation to be wealthy even if they're capitalists than poor oppressed socialists, whatever works, they won't choose virtue over wealth anymore, and will flee any confrontation with the west, but won't abandon their allies, displaying a motto of โ€œnot anti-western, just not westernโ€, and it's more complicated, each country has their own way to seek friendliness with everyone, they know that their western partners can't be trusted but want to be on their side without being subservient to them, the best way to understand them is to read hundred of pages of declaration because their way of walking the line is more visible. China will also avoid confrontational speeches b.t.w., they'd all prefer friends than enemies(, at least as long as war isn't a desirable option).

Sorry for such a long and confused comment, i'll probably edit it in the future.

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You probably have the same exhaustive list of every anti-imperialist online โ€œinfluencerโ€&medias as me/us, since it's around 20-30(, 40?), as long as we're only counting the current/active ones, and excluding those only writing books without reporting every day on the net.

Perhaps that a song with a line for each of them could be a nice(&โ€™very difficultโ€™) thing to do ?

Perhaps that another song for anti-imperialist singers could also be an idea since you're often asked about that.

I've heard a few days ago someone who rented a hall, and was asked whether its purpose was for culture or politics. How weird that we separated these two.

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Also : You're usually avoiding to make songs about yourself or your relatives(, i can think of an exception https://youtu.be/wwqNNng3H-4, and also an other about your โ€œteacherโ€ with a thick accent, and https://www.davidrovics.com/songbook/brad-2/ and https://youtu.be/vvtv2HA0aXM, but they're almost certainly not the only examples). I'd probably not be the only one to like a song about your life or your (great)parent's lives( other than https://www.davidrovics.com/songbook/sugihara-2/), ๐Ÿคท

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That's a very long topic, too long to attempt an exhaustive comment, and outside your themes, but important to me, so i'll just add in parenthesis that God certainly exist under some definitions(, Aristotle's First, St.Anselm's Greatest and St.Augustine' Supreme and Leibniz's Perfect, Maimonide's negative definitions, Spinoza's Nature, Hegel's Truth, St.Aquinas Summum Bonum, Plotinus' One, Lao Tzu's Tao, Tillich's Being, Brahman as 'the ultimate nature of reality'/Reality, and many more definitions for which SยทยทHe obviously exist).

I'll stop at the definitions without delving into : the โ€œproblemโ€ of evil ; why i don't need/โ€™agree withโ€™ a litteralist interpretation of the sacred texts ; determinism ; and the restโ€ฆ

https://youtu.be/zcm5pPsvVrg?si=

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If D.Trump ever invades Venezuela, then it seems mandatory to talk about the venezuelan communes, where they vote the communal budget gathered together, have quite a lot of autonomy, etc.

Because our declared enemies are always considered authoritarian, so we(sterners) will ignore the venezuelan decentralization/communalization.

https://youtu.be/tkf_2pc2Wgk

https://youtu.be/Qi0Ls8daKDI

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There's a thought that i find powerful, it's that one cannot think straight with crooked words(, clearly orwellian), they feared the words, and hence changed their meaning :

Anarchism doesn't mean chaos but an absence of hierarchy(, which means that the u.s.s.r. was closer to anarchy than we(sterners) ever were, even if it was as authoritarian as our capitalists described it)

Democracy doesn't mean electing the best(, that's aristocracy), but sortition and votes/referendums, as they did in Athens(, the only democratic state ever was also the most illustrious state, what a coincidence)

Being a capitalist/bourgeois doesn't mean working a lot, but on the contrary earning passive income, they're not the public figure of the CEO but the hidden shareholders(, even if the CEO usually has shares&dividends it's not clear-cut, and also get a share of the surplus value, but if someone becomes rich through hยทerยทis work, e.g. an actor, athlete, band, lottery winner, โ€ฆ, then that wealth isn't enough to make hยทerยทim a capitalist/bourgeois)

Few self-proclaimed โ€œhumanistsโ€ would elect someone promising to impoverish their own group in order to help more needy outsiders(, groups are : nation/federation, race, religion, ideology, family, socio-economic class, โ€ฆ)(, refusing to help a group that doesn't consider itself humanist can be a defensible position though, especially if it'll use this help against you). There's no perceived incoherence since humanism will mean being nice, or something about culture that dismisses its etymological meaning of (proletarian )internationalism

I've never completed that list somewhere, but intend to edit it here later, whenever/if i remember other examples of such manipulation

David Rovics's avatar

there's nothing confused about your comments, it's just that you're talking about a zillion different things. they're all good ideas for songs. they're also songs i've written already in some cases. you'd like some of my songs in support of venezuela, cuba, iran, russia, and other countries, which you clearly have not yet heard. in any case, you have lots of good song ideas in those comments.

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you're talking about a zillion different things

Thanks :D !

in support of venezuela, cuba, iran, russia

I mentioned two songs for venezuela(, in a later edit), you've got an awesome one for commandante Fidel Alejandro Castro Ruz, i don't remember if the one about โ€œwhen students took the embassy" is the only one about Iran, and i remember โ€œwhen the US invaded Russiaโ€ ๐Ÿ™‚

But yeah, i wouldn't want you to expose yourself too much to criticisms from, e.g., anarchists or trostkyists that bought the narrative about our fight against authoritarians

you have lots of good song ideas

Pick and choose, these certainly are not demands. If nothing picked your interest then so be it, at least i would have attempted to do something useful with my time for once ๐Ÿคท

What's certain is that i'm glad that i can continue to listen to your creations, a logical world wouldn't have so few political singers, something you probably heard many times(, as well as โ€œwhy don't they play you on the radioโ€)

I.d.k. how to help, but i'll perhaps continue to include ideas next month, if only for me since such referral is always useful(, and as long as you won't mind/โ€™ask me to stopโ€™, of course)

(PS : i can't wait to listen to your memoirs and novel b.t.w., probably in a few weeks ๐Ÿ™‚)

David Rovics's avatar

i like all your thoughts and song ideas. what's most useful is a one-liner that sums up what you think is most significant about something, that needs to be said.

Motor City's avatar

Thatโ€™s a good song

Lisa Rogers's avatar

I love this so much!